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Nothing Doing's avatar

I really dig this write up.

The 'pronoun problem' is difficult because it is about both respect, and the speaker's model of the world. It's also difficult because we don't address people with pronouns, we talk about them in the 3rd person. What are the limits of the ability to dictate how people talk about you?

I concede the point that there is an aspect of respecting somebody when choosing to use or not use their preferred pronouns. The problem is that it is partly about respect, but it is also about my self-respect - am I obligated to use words that falsely describe my model of the world, simply to make somebody else feel better? You also make a great point about the longer run societal costs of doing such a thing.

Regarding part 3 - trans ideologues have essentially repurposed the word 'woman' and have given it a new broader definition. But before the transgender ideologues came about, we already had at least 2 different definitions of the word 'woman'. The first definition is the most stringent and refers to your gametes. But, when we meet somebody we don't sex them by examining their gametes. We sex them by observing their sexual characteristics - face shape, facial hair, hips, etc. In the first sense of 'woman', Blaire White obviously is not a woman. But, she arguably is in the 2nd sense.

I am much more comfortable referring to Blaire White as 'she' because it imposes no mental load on me to do so. I perceive Blaire as a female, so calling Blaire 'her' is easy. It would be harder for me to refer to Blaire as 'he'.

Of course, this is not really a great principle when deciding who is worthy of choosing pronouns. The pronoun game is the most troublesome aspect of gender ideology, and it isn't clear to me what we should do.

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With regards to the criticism that the number of feminine traits cannot suffice for womanhood, one way around this would just be to adopt a “property cluster” theory of womanhood (which I think Bentham may have implicitly had in mind), where womanhood is defined as having a sufficient number of traits or properties, but where no single property is sufficient (the exact number of traits which are sufficient is of course vague, not surprising though given that such terms are inherently vague!). So crossdressers wouldn’t be women because they don’t have enough feminine traits to qualify.

You do somewhat address this by pointing out that no number of feminine traits would serve to satisfy, but I think the obvious rebuttal is simply that you place too much emphasis on cultural traits like makeup, and not enough on biological traits like having breast (and to be fair, Bentham’s list seems to have this issue too. Although it’s possible he didn’t intend for every trait to be equally weighted).

You do also mention that the theory that womanhood might be dependent on socially constructed traits just reinforces patriarchal assumptions, but while true, I don’t take this to be a strong criticism of the property cluster theory. Whether it should be the case that “woman” means X, and whether it actually does are two different things.

The advantage of the property cluster theory over the conservative view is that it recognizes that no single biological trait is necessary for womanhood. For instance, having reproductive organs isn’t necessary, otherwise women with hysterectomies wouldn’t be women. Having XX chromosomes can’t be necessary, otherwise people with XY chromosomes who never had their Y chromosome expressed (and therefore have all the other ordinary biological traits associated with womanhood) wouldn’t be women, and so forth.

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